and one final one. I wanted to show what you guys have given me. I started this with a half-@ss attitude, I'll do it for fun, yada,yada. But it has turned into total enjoyment. And just to show how far YOU guys have brought me - Terry, Dan, Jan, Wurger, Rochie, Max, Muller, A4k and all the rest, this is a Bf 110 I did 8 years ago. I hope you can see the change in skill that only those on this forum allowed me to go. Better than any modelling books, to be able to directly get an answer to some questions and try it out is just fantastic. So I want to thank you all and I don't feel so apprehensive about doing the PTO Build or any other because all in all - I HAD FUN!!!!!