ZG 1, Italy and the Bf 110G-2?

[al49]

Hi, just saw this thread.
I will post a few pictures/profiles of BF 110 in Italy, just in case they are of some interest but, first of all, I give you the link for the Montecorvino airport site (Today the airport is called "Salerno - Costa d'Amalfi).
Text is in Italian/English language and you will find that there is there a "vespen" aircraft.
Pagina - Aeroporto di Salerno
Then a series of profiles and a photo taken from Battailles Ariennes n. 34 dedicated to Luftwaffe in Africa. As you will see from the legends, most BF 110 operating in North Africa were based in Italy.

The next one is taken from "Airwar Italy" and concerns a BF 110 based in Perugia in June 1944

I hope the above will be of some help.
Cheers
Alberto

 

[Lucky13]

Excellent Alberto, thanks for sharing!

 

[FlexiBull]

Not sure if you guys have seen this article on building the Eduard Bf 110.

http://downloads.hyperscale.com/guides/bf110eguide.pdf

FlexiBull

 

[John Vasco]

Also, not sure if the D-3 had the little air scoop on the nose.

Bf 110 D = no air intake on the gun cowling;
Bf 110 E = air intake on the gun cowling.

 

[John Vasco]

Which Geschwader was it that carried the large brown dog/wolf head on the nose, much like the black one on Erganzungs Zerstorer Gruppe '110's?

V.(Z)/LG 1 carried a small wolf's head on the nose of its Bf 110s. Much smaller than the large one used on the Erganzungs Zerstorer Gruppe 110s.

 

[Lucky13]

Would like nice with the Wespen...

 

[Lucky13]

The reason I'm asking John, is the top set from Peddinghaus. But, if you look at the pics, the wolf head seems a bit too dark to be brown.
The lower set, I can't remember seeing a pics with '110's with these markings....

 

[John Vasco]

Lucky,
The Wolf's head on that decal sheet is definitely that of 'Erganzungs Zerstorer Gruppe', (later 'Erganzungs Schlacht Gruppe') . The unit code 4M confirms this. The decal sheet is wrong in saying it relates to a Bf 110 C-1 of I.(S)/LG 1.

 

[Lucky13]

Thanks John, appreciated! What about the brown colour, is that correct? And, if I may....have you seen any pics of 12./SG77 '110's, with these skeleton nose markings?

Thanks again....

 

[Njaco]

Jan, John is correct on that '4M' unit. See here....

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/ai...affe-aircraft-camouflage-markings-9318-3.html

 

[Lucky13]

Cheers Chris! I just try to find any pics of a '110 with the brown wolf head, those on the decal sheet, to me they look like they're more black than brown....

 

[Njaco]

I'll see what I can find.

Jan, check this out....

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/ai...chmidt-110-c-1-markings-camouflage-12779.html

 

[John Vasco]

Cheers Chris! I just try to find any pics of a '110 with the brown wolf head, those on the decal sheet, to me they look like they're more black than brown....

Pages 178-179 of my 'Zerstörer' volume Two in the Classic series of Luftwaffe Colours shows Bf 110s of Erganzungs Zerstorer Gruppe/'Erganzungs Schlacht Gruppe'. Difficult to tell whether the large wolf's head is brown or black, as it is against a very light fuselage camo colour.

 

[John Vasco]

A photo of the 'skelton hand' Bf 110 appeared in the Squadron/Signal 'In Action' series number 30 on the Bf 110 by Jerry Campbell many years ago (page 48 bottom left).

 

[Airframes]

I'd say that wolf's head is more towards the brown than black. Comparison with background tones suggests more of a brown tone, possibly a red-brown, similar to Weinrot, but a little darker. If it was black, I think the tonal difference would be more marked. If I had an original print, or a first generation half tone, I could provide a better analysis, but, going off what's on the monitor, I'd say in the brown/red area of the spectrum.

 

[Lucky13]

Thanks John and Terry, appreciated!

 

[Lucky13]

Looking at the decals coming with the Eduard '110E and ZG1. This gentleman, Herbert Kutscha, was he the top scorer in ZG1 and the '110 with his 22 aircraft, 41 aircraft destroyed on the ground, 41 tanks, 15 locomotives, 11 anti-aircraft guns and 157 transport vehicles?

I also try to find out more on Rolf Kaldrack... Don't know if I should do the Kutscha S9+NN or the E that Kaldrack was killed in S9+IC, Wk. Nr. 4057....when he collided with a MiG-1, which he had shot down(?)....

 

[Evgeny Velichko]

I have photos of "Schlitzohr" Kaldrack's Bf110E-1, S9+TC. He was shot down, together with his wingman by RS-82 rokets from LaGG-3 of Lt. Bocharov.

 

[Lucky13]

Please post them, if you don't mind.....

 

[Lucky13]

Crikey....12 years ago!