Shooting at Fort Hood

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I think he will be tried under the UCMJ. And that should not rule out the possibility of treason as a charge in addition to the obvious charges of murder, assault, etc.. And you're right, this is no case for the civilian courts where some left wing activist judge could screw up the outcome.

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I'm not sure, but keep in mind that hindsight is always 20/20. There's enough slackers and malcontents who will try anything to get out of a deployment (we had one guy go AWOL in Hong Kong, then try to get a plane ticket home....without a passport!) that this guy just blended in. He made a committment, though, when he raised his hand and swore his oath to the Constitution. The military (any branch) is going to hold you to that oath. I would say its the rare exception that is allowed to early-terminate their contracts and pay the military back for their education.
 
Asked a friend of mine (who just retired after 23 years as a JAG) if he was:

1. Nutcase- tried as insane
2. Premeditated murder- planned and killed as part of a plan.
3. Treason- as he killed soliders in his own army.

He said he could probably be tried as all three. But the best people to try him were the Texans (ie, state of Texas) as they execute somebody down there every week and the US Military hadn't put someone to death in 35 years.

Let Texas have him and this dude is toast (figuratively, I think "ole Sparky" has been retired and they do lethal injections) a lot faster and with less mishmash than in the Federal System.
 
I tend to believe that life in a millitary prison would be far worse than death. He may welcome death as he would see himself as a martyr and give the Taliban a propaganda victory.
But life, every day not seeing any visitors, knowng that no one cares or remembers him. Plus of course, being under presure not knowing what was going to happen to him as I am sure the other inmates would shall we say, express their displeasure.
No, full life would be far worse.
 

I have mixed feelings about that. I don't feel that anyone should be allowed to refuse service, just because they do not agree with a conflict or going on a deployment. When you joined the military, you know damn well you might have to go to war. You are not serving your religion but your country. Get over it, grow a pair of balls and do your damn job. It is not like this guy would have been out fighting anyhow, he would have been in a hospital on a big base, safe and sound treating soldiers that would have needed his help.

At the same time, I feel that if someone does not want to serve, then kick them out. I would be very harsh though and call it breach of contract. Make them pay back the education benefits, a dishonorable discharge (try getting a good job after that...) and reduction in rank and pay until the process is complete.

We actually have a guy on our airfield who is trying to do something very similar. He is refusing to fire a weapon and go to Iraq. Here is the kicker, he joined the Army in 2008. Sorry no excuses! Why the **** did you join the Army! Send him to Iraq, or throw him in jail and give him a dishonorable!
 
He is refusing to fire a weapon and go to Iraq. Here is the kicker, he joined the Army in 2008.

Lemme guess, he joined for educational benefits and foriegn travel? And the swimming pool, did we mention the swimming pool....

I've heard some really stupid stuff, but to join the Army, any Army, in time of war and not expect to go where the war is nutz.

Army oughta upgrade their IQ test cause they enlisted an idiot there.
 

An eloquent post, Butters. Thank you.
 

Agreed with all, Bird. But lets forget about meting out punishment for a moment...

What is troubling to me is the same thing that troubles me about many other mass killers. You always see articles that say "he wasn't quite right" or something to that effect. Why are these things getting through the screening process?
 

Not to mention spending the rest of your life as a sex slave to someone named Clarence. See how he likes that kind of martyrdom.
 

DD and out the door - same as a convicted felon
 
I tend to believe that even most of the worst offenders in Leavenworth still love America and sympathize with the soldiers more than the traitor. Put him general population in the military prison then go on an easter egg hunt for the pieces of his body.
 
Somewhat related; Does anyone know of any memorial efforts for our wounded and murdered service members from Ft. Hood that may be taking place this Wednesday (Veteran's Day)? I remember after the 9/11 attacks there was a national moment of silence at aspecific time.
Thanks
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Here is something for Butters, since the terrorist angle is a red herring.

Liberals and their delusions.
 

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