Erich
the old Sage
have seen the Chino Recon 262 years ago, and there was even talk behind the scenes of getting that thing operative.............no thanks !
New built ME-262s
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Yeah they just started making them as well.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Very cool!
It's great to have the originals flying, but I think that if they have more of the reproductions available, it'll lessen the chances of losing one of the originals to accidents.
It's great to have the originals flying, but I think that if they have more of the reproductions available, it'll lessen the chances of losing one of the originals to accidents.
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BikerBabe
Senior Master Sergeant
There is definitely a noticeable difference, but I think that it might have something to do with how tall the modern day pilots are.
I mean: There isn't much point in being curled up and getting tucked into a plane where there isn't much space, especially if you have to fly for a while. Plus I guess that even though the pilot's strapped in, there needs to be a bit of space if he - by some reason unknown to me - gets to fly upside down.
I know from experience that no matter how hard you strap in, your body gives a little from gravity when you're suspended upside down (- no naughty thoughts, boys!
), and therefore your body elongates a bit, demanding more space "topside".Plus I think that there might be a little difference in height - from the pilots back then, who grew up in the 1910's and 1920's (The Great Depression/malnourishment) where ppl didn't know as much about the proper nourishment for babies and children, to today's men, who has grown up with proper food, care and under circumstances that might be lightyears better than what could be experienced back then, thus improving their growth, and therefore demanding a larger cockpit canopy.
I don't know, it just makes sense to me. *scratches head*
wheelsup_cavu
1st Sergeant
When I saw it I thought the same thing about the pilot's height BikerBabe.
Wheelsup
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Lucky13
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I know from experience that no matter how hard you strap in, your body gives a little from gravity when you're suspended upside down (- no naughty thoughts, boys!
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Wonder what'll be next a Arado 234, Heinkel 162....8)
How about a Ta152?....
Lucky13
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Horten/Gotha-229! HOW cool would THAT be!?
Flyboy2
Senior Airman
If you go on Airliners.net and search for the Me.262 they have some pretty good pictures of this restored flying version
Not only that, but they were assigned Messerschmitt werknummern to each individual airframe that picked up where the original werknummern left off in 1945.
Lucky13
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Then they must be good! 
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wheelsup_cavu
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FLYBOYJ
"THE GREAT GAZOO"
Sorry Yerger, but you're dead wrong.
Many of the war replicas and warbirds you see are flown by highly experienced pilots, many of them have military backgrounds. For certain recips and jet warbirds you need a "type" rating specific for the aircraft, so there's a lot more training that goes into acquiring one of these ratings. BTW the Hughes H1 that crashed a few years ago was the result of a propeller that came apart when the pilot was flying it back from Oshkosh.
As you say "recreation pilots," I could assure you that the lowest time pilots you might find say flying a T-6 might have 500 hours, so for the most part most of the pilots who fly these warbirds are far from "recreation" pilots. Sometimes many of these warbird owners have more money than brains and crash these aircraft by doing plain stupid things, but in the bigger picture many of these same guys have 1000s of hours and usually hold commercial, instrument, multi-engine and even ATP ratings.
Bottom line, it has nothing to do with skill, it has everyting to do with operating the aircraft safely.
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Just to back-up what FLYBOYJ said, you could say that I come from a "warbird family"; at one time or another, my family has owned and operated a Cessna O-2, several North American AT-6/SNJ's (most of which were rebuilt from the ground up by my family) and, most recently, a couple of Waco UPF-7's. My father got his A P rating back in the '70's, and my oldest brother followed him shortly thereafter (in fact, he now works for a company in Dallas-Ft. Worth that rebuilds gas turbine engines, both flight-rated models and gas turbine generators). Neither one of them had lot of money, but they never messed around when they were flying the 'birds, they always kept the a/c well within it's flight parameters (which is why they're still around). I don't know how many flight hours they both have, but it must be in the hundreds, if not thousands, of hours each (and that's not including all the rotary-wing hours my brother has).
I'll second that. Most of the NZ warbirds AT-6's have a minimum of 500 hours, with 25 tail-wheel time. But I can guarantee you that you would expect to do a 10 hour type conversion if you had those minimums, or if you were an unlnown pilot to the instructor. This isn't so much about teaching the skills, as assessing your attitude.
Skills can be taught, but attitude is everything.
Soundbreaker Welch?
Tech Sergeant
These new jets can fool me, a great aircraft reproduction. I'm sure it takes a lot of work.
I wish George Lucas would use them for his new film, not just CGI.
I wish George Lucas would use them for his new film, not just CGI.
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Thorlifter
Captain
I'm curious Chris, since your in the same country and speak the language, could you get in touch with Flugwerk and find out why they are making P-51's and not something a little more rare? I mean, there are a over 150 flying P-51 and there are less than 10 of most of the other WWII planes in flying condition, sometimes not any.
I'm sure the answer is the all mighty $$$$, but you know if they can sell 262's, then they could sell 190D's or He-162's or a Do-335 or heck, make a Zero from scratch.
Sorry, it just bugs me that we have types vanishing from existance, but they make types that there are hundreds of. GRRRRRRRRR
Ok, I'm off my soap box.
GrauGeist
Generalfeldmarschall zur Luftschiff Abteilung
Thor, there are a few outfits out there either planning or working on, some interesting reproductions.
I think it was the Texas Airplane factory that was building a rare japanese aircraft, Nakajima Ki-43 Oscar because they had restored a number of them in the past.
We had a thread about this a while back with some good points and counter-points regarding reproduction warbirds: http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/aviation/world-war-ii-aircraft-new-production-17048.html
I think it was the Texas Airplane factory that was building a rare japanese aircraft, Nakajima Ki-43 Oscar because they had restored a number of them in the past.
We had a thread about this a while back with some good points and counter-points regarding reproduction warbirds: http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/aviation/world-war-ii-aircraft-new-production-17048.html
