ZG 1, Italy and the Bf 110G-2?
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Evgeny Velichko
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Oblt. Egon Albrecht was StaKa 6./ZG1 in summer 1943 in Italy, so he must flew Bf110G-2 "S9+AP".
I am not sure with Ltn. Brandes, he flew with Erg.Gr. Ost in 1943 and JG11 in 1944.
Major Ulrich Diesing moved from ZG1 in late 1942.
I am not sure with Ltn. Brandes, he flew with Erg.Gr. Ost in 1943 and JG11 in 1944.
Major Ulrich Diesing moved from ZG1 in late 1942.
Evgeny Velichko
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Many mistakes there, B-17engineer.
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Thanks Evgeny and Harrison! 
S9+AP? Gives another option to the markings coming with the kit....
S9+AP? Gives another option to the markings coming with the kit....
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Evgeny Velichko
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But there is no any photo of this a/c...
We didnt know, if it wear any abschussebalken, camou...
It could be only our speculation.
We didnt know, if it wear any abschussebalken, camou...
It could be only our speculation.
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Right...thanks Evgeny.
How this gentleman then,
Hptm Rudolf Wengner, 5/ZG-1, Bf 110.,
One known victory, a B-24 NE of Regensburg (Bayern) on 22 February, 1944. A 2nd, a P-38 at Grünberg, S of Linz, 2 April, 1944. A 3rd, a B-24 on 12 April, 1944, no location. A 4th, another B-24 NE of Sarajevo on 13 April, 1944. A 5th, a Soviet DB-3 on 19 April, 1944.
The ZG 1 had a few well known names within their ranks. But, as I understand, they flew with ZG 1 on either the eastern or western front and not in the Med/North Africa, correct?
Hptm Egon Albrecht
Maj Helmut Viedebantt
Ltn Rudolf 'Rudi' Dassow
Maj Wolfgang Schenck
ObstLt Joachim Blechschmidt
ObstLt Ulrich Diesing
ObstLt Heinz Nacke
And of course Eduard Tratt....
How this gentleman then,
Hptm Rudolf Wengner, 5/ZG-1, Bf 110.,
One known victory, a B-24 NE of Regensburg (Bayern) on 22 February, 1944. A 2nd, a P-38 at Grünberg, S of Linz, 2 April, 1944. A 3rd, a B-24 on 12 April, 1944, no location. A 4th, another B-24 NE of Sarajevo on 13 April, 1944. A 5th, a Soviet DB-3 on 19 April, 1944.
The ZG 1 had a few well known names within their ranks. But, as I understand, they flew with ZG 1 on either the eastern or western front and not in the Med/North Africa, correct?
Hptm Egon Albrecht
Maj Helmut Viedebantt
Ltn Rudolf 'Rudi' Dassow
Maj Wolfgang Schenck
ObstLt Joachim Blechschmidt
ObstLt Ulrich Diesing
ObstLt Heinz Nacke
And of course Eduard Tratt....
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II./ZG2, 4.43 - 5.43 Trapani, 5.43 - 6.43 Pomigliano, 6.43 - 8.43 Monte Corvino....is this correct?
I don't understand a word, but I think that the top pic are G-2's in Russia,
Vroege modellen van de Bf 110 G-2 van de Stab I./SKG 210 bij de inzet boven Rusland in juli 1942.
Ze zijn nog uitgerust met naar achter vurende MG 15 MG's (en zijn dus waarschijnlijk G-0's).
The second one from Italy.
De zomer van 1943 kwam II./ZG 1 met zijn Bf 110 G-2's Zerstörer boven Italië tot inzet.
Third one, have no idea!
Toen de 2. en 3. Staffel van ZG 1 tot nachtjacht-eenheden werden omgevormd, werden de toestellen van 1./ZG 1 (Wespe)
omgebouwd tot jachtbommenwerpers van 2.Gruppe/SFG 210. De eenheid bleef echter haar kenteken, de wesp, behouden
en bleef met haar Bf 110 C-4/B tijdens de winter van 1941-42 luchtaanvallen vliegen.
I don't understand a word, but I think that the top pic are G-2's in Russia,
Vroege modellen van de Bf 110 G-2 van de Stab I./SKG 210 bij de inzet boven Rusland in juli 1942.
Ze zijn nog uitgerust met naar achter vurende MG 15 MG's (en zijn dus waarschijnlijk G-0's).
The second one from Italy.
De zomer van 1943 kwam II./ZG 1 met zijn Bf 110 G-2's Zerstörer boven Italië tot inzet.
Third one, have no idea!
Toen de 2. en 3. Staffel van ZG 1 tot nachtjacht-eenheden werden omgevormd, werden de toestellen van 1./ZG 1 (Wespe)
omgebouwd tot jachtbommenwerpers van 2.Gruppe/SFG 210. De eenheid bleef echter haar kenteken, de wesp, behouden
en bleef met haar Bf 110 C-4/B tijdens de winter van 1941-42 luchtaanvallen vliegen.
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Right...thanks Evgeny.
How this gentleman then,
Hptm Rudolf Wengner, 5/ZG-1, Bf 110.,
One known victory, a B-24 NE of Regensburg (Bayern) on 22 February, 1944. A 2nd, a P-38 at Grünberg, S of Linz, 2 April, 1944. A 3rd, a B-24 on 12 April, 1944, no location. A 4th, another B-24 NE of Sarajevo on 13 April, 1944. A 5th, a Soviet DB-3 on 19 April, 1944.
The ZG 1 had a few well known names within their ranks. But, as I understand, they flew with ZG 1 on either the eastern or western front and not in the Med/North Africa, correct?
Hptm Egon Albrecht
Maj Helmut Viedebantt
Ltn Rudolf 'Rudi' Dassow
Maj Wolfgang Schenck
ObstLt Joachim Blechschmidt
ObstLt Ulrich Diesing
ObstLt Heinz Nacke
And of course Eduard Tratt....
Dassow would make a good subject for your Me 410 project... quite a character.
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Do tell.....
Maximowitz
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DASSOW, Rudi (RK; DKiG)
(1920 - 1944)
Leutnant:
,b>Born: 23. Jan. 1920 in Wolgast / Pommern.
Killed in Action: 25. Aug. 1944; crashed near La Fere in aerial combat with P-38 Lightings (FW 190A-8 171711 >>blue 11<<).
Career:
10./ZG 1
II./ ZG 26
II./JG 6
Decorations Awards:
Ritterkreuz des E.K.:
Deutsches Kreuz in Gold:
1939 Eisernes Kreuz I. Klasse
1939 Eisernes Kreuz II. Klasse
Frontflug-Spange fur Tagjager
Flugzeugfuhrerabzeichen
"Intensive training of the crews began. Lt Rudi Dassow, however, was not satisfied and decided to make his aircraft stronger by different means. At the pilots request and with ZG 26's commander Obstlt. Karl Bohm-Tettelbach's permission, his aircraft was equipped with eight MG 151/20 20 mm cannons."
"It was a most beautiful sight to watch him shoot an enemy down with his battery.."
(1920 - 1944)
Leutnant:
,b>Born: 23. Jan. 1920 in Wolgast / Pommern.
Killed in Action: 25. Aug. 1944; crashed near La Fere in aerial combat with P-38 Lightings (FW 190A-8 171711 >>blue 11<<).
Career:
10./ZG 1
II./ ZG 26
II./JG 6
Decorations Awards:
Ritterkreuz des E.K.:
Deutsches Kreuz in Gold:
1939 Eisernes Kreuz I. Klasse
1939 Eisernes Kreuz II. Klasse
Frontflug-Spange fur Tagjager
Flugzeugfuhrerabzeichen
"Intensive training of the crews began. Lt Rudi Dassow, however, was not satisfied and decided to make his aircraft stronger by different means. At the pilots request and with ZG 26's commander Obstlt. Karl Bohm-Tettelbach's permission, his aircraft was equipped with eight MG 151/20 20 mm cannons."
"It was a most beautiful sight to watch him shoot an enemy down with his battery.."
Erich
the old Sage
there is some disagreement as to really how many 2cm weapons he had, one GErman figure gives the set up as 6 which was standard including the lower belly waffen pod of two 2cm arms. when he came into Jg 6 like most the ZG pilots did after disbandonment of the twin engine destroyer units the pilots/crews were mg fodder as single engine fighter vs fighter was not there game
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A machine with quite the "sting" then....
Maximowitz
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Thanks for that Erich. Did any of the ZG pilots make a sucessful transition from Zerstorers to single engine, fighter vs fighter combat?
Another nice avatar too I might add.
Evgeny Velichko
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Maj Helmut Viedebantt
Was Staka 5./ZG1 in late 1942, in dec42 transferred together with Maj. G. Tonne to SKG10.
Ltn Rudolf 'Rudi' Dassow
In summer 43 was a III./ZG1 pilot. Later, II./ZG26 pilot and StaKa.
Maj Wolfgang Schenck
Komodore Schl.G.2 in summer 43.
ObstLt Joachim Blechschmidt
Komodore ZG1 in summer 43, flew during Cotadel operation, on 13 july 43 was shot up by Il-2, bellylanded and PoW.
ObstLt Ulrich Diesing
He flew with ZG1 till sept.42, and Blechschmitt became Komodore after him.
Major Heinz Nacke
Gr.Kdre II./ZG1 in summer 1943, was badly injured in crach on 02-08-43 in Bf 110 G-2 of 4./ZG1 on transffer flight in Italy.
Oblt. Karl-Heinrich Matern
Was STaKa 4./ZG1 from spring42 to 3 August 43, when he was moved to Gr.Kdr. of II./ZG1 when Nacke crashed.
30.10.42 Oblt. Karl-Heinrich Matern 4./ZG 1 MiG-3 44 723: at 2.000 m. 14.35
30.10.42 Oblt. Karl-Heinrich Matern 4./ZG 1 MiG-3 44 723: at 2.000 m. 14.38
31.10.42 Oblt. Karl-Heinrich Matern 4./ZG 1 MiG-3 44 780: at 1.200 m. 14.43
01.11.42 Oblt. Karl-Heinrich Matern 4./ZG 1 MiG-3 44 761 at 800 m. 11.12
05.11.42 Oblt. Karl-Heinrich Matern 4./ZG 1 I-16 Rata 44 841 at 200 m. 08.15
18.12.42 Oblt. Karl-Heinrich Matern 4./ZG 1 La-5 3984 at 1.000 m. 06.05
Hptm. Rudolf Wengner
Was StaKa 5./ZG1 in Summer 1943 in Italy.
1. 22.02.44 Hptm. Rudolf Wengner 5./ZG 1 B-24 N.E. Regensburg: 6.500 m. [Bayern] 13.05
2. 02.04.44 Hptm. Rudolf Wengner 5./ZG 1 P-38 14 Ost N/EI-2: 3.000 m. [Grünberg S. Linz] 11.15
3. 12.04.44 Hptm. Rudolf Wengner 5./ZG 1 B-24 14 Ost N / "Q": 6.000 m. 12.20
4. 13.04.44 Hptm. Rudolf Wengner 5./ZG 1 B-24 14 Ost N/US-1: 6.500 m. [N.E. Sarajevo] 13.11
5. 19.04.44 Hptm. Rudolf Wengner 5./ZG 1 DB-3 34 Ost N/ SB-7: at 50-100 m. 15.35
Hptm Egon Albrecht
Look my post above.
Was StaKa 6./ZG1 from 12 June 1942 to 9 October 1943 , when Hptm. Karl-Heinrich Matern was shot down and killed by Spitfires over Biscay Bay.
Photos:
Left: it is new received G-2's, spring 1943, Ostfront.
Center - II./ZG1's G-2s in Italy, summer 43.
Right - S9+SP, II./ZG1, jan-febr 42, Ostfront.
Hptm. Eduard "Edu" Tratt (highest Zerstorer ace with 37 victories) never flew in MTO, as he was shot down and injured on Ostfront on 30 jan43.
Was Staka 5./ZG1 in late 1942, in dec42 transferred together with Maj. G. Tonne to SKG10.
Ltn Rudolf 'Rudi' Dassow
In summer 43 was a III./ZG1 pilot. Later, II./ZG26 pilot and StaKa.
Maj Wolfgang Schenck
Komodore Schl.G.2 in summer 43.
ObstLt Joachim Blechschmidt
Komodore ZG1 in summer 43, flew during Cotadel operation, on 13 july 43 was shot up by Il-2, bellylanded and PoW.
ObstLt Ulrich Diesing
He flew with ZG1 till sept.42, and Blechschmitt became Komodore after him.
Major Heinz Nacke
Gr.Kdre II./ZG1 in summer 1943, was badly injured in crach on 02-08-43 in Bf 110 G-2 of 4./ZG1 on transffer flight in Italy.
Oblt. Karl-Heinrich Matern
Was STaKa 4./ZG1 from spring42 to 3 August 43, when he was moved to Gr.Kdr. of II./ZG1 when Nacke crashed.
30.10.42 Oblt. Karl-Heinrich Matern 4./ZG 1 MiG-3 44 723: at 2.000 m. 14.35
30.10.42 Oblt. Karl-Heinrich Matern 4./ZG 1 MiG-3 44 723: at 2.000 m. 14.38
31.10.42 Oblt. Karl-Heinrich Matern 4./ZG 1 MiG-3 44 780: at 1.200 m. 14.43
01.11.42 Oblt. Karl-Heinrich Matern 4./ZG 1 MiG-3 44 761 at 800 m. 11.12
05.11.42 Oblt. Karl-Heinrich Matern 4./ZG 1 I-16 Rata 44 841 at 200 m. 08.15
18.12.42 Oblt. Karl-Heinrich Matern 4./ZG 1 La-5 3984 at 1.000 m. 06.05
Hptm. Rudolf Wengner
Was StaKa 5./ZG1 in Summer 1943 in Italy.
1. 22.02.44 Hptm. Rudolf Wengner 5./ZG 1 B-24 N.E. Regensburg: 6.500 m. [Bayern] 13.05
2. 02.04.44 Hptm. Rudolf Wengner 5./ZG 1 P-38 14 Ost N/EI-2: 3.000 m. [Grünberg S. Linz] 11.15
3. 12.04.44 Hptm. Rudolf Wengner 5./ZG 1 B-24 14 Ost N / "Q": 6.000 m. 12.20
4. 13.04.44 Hptm. Rudolf Wengner 5./ZG 1 B-24 14 Ost N/US-1: 6.500 m. [N.E. Sarajevo] 13.11
5. 19.04.44 Hptm. Rudolf Wengner 5./ZG 1 DB-3 34 Ost N/ SB-7: at 50-100 m. 15.35
Hptm Egon Albrecht
Look my post above.
Was StaKa 6./ZG1 from 12 June 1942 to 9 October 1943 , when Hptm. Karl-Heinrich Matern was shot down and killed by Spitfires over Biscay Bay.
Photos:
Left: it is new received G-2's, spring 1943, Ostfront.
Center - II./ZG1's G-2s in Italy, summer 43.
Right - S9+SP, II./ZG1, jan-febr 42, Ostfront.
Hptm. Eduard "Edu" Tratt (highest Zerstorer ace with 37 victories) never flew in MTO, as he was shot down and injured on Ostfront on 30 jan43.
Erich
the old Sage
Paul I am sure there were survivors that went on as some cadre even went into JG 300
II./ZG 1 in 1944 was in Defense of the Reich missions defending the southern portion of the Reich with sister single engine unit JG 27 whom flew quite a bit together in the area as high cover. this was in the area of Wels Austria and actually moved throughout the country facing the US 15th AF heavies and fighters
II./ZG 1 in 1944 was in Defense of the Reich missions defending the southern portion of the Reich with sister single engine unit JG 27 whom flew quite a bit together in the area as high cover. this was in the area of Wels Austria and actually moved throughout the country facing the US 15th AF heavies and fighters
Evgeny Velichko
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Paul - just few names:
Rolf Hermichen (SKG210>JG26)
Herbert Kutcha (ZG1>JG3)
Gordon Gollob (ZG76>JG77)
Also, Fritz Stehle became on of the best Jet aces, he had a victories with III./ZG1, II./ZG26, II./JG6 and JG7.
Also, many Zerstorer pilot got good success in Bf110/Me410 vs fighters. Even 1 vs 1, or even 1 vs many.
Erich:
Yes, there is no photo confirming 8 x 20mm of Dassow... But Me410 had enough engine power to fly as Me410B-1/R4/R5 (2 MG151/20E default, 2 MG151/20E in WB151, and 4 MG151/20E in bombbay).
Rolf Hermichen (SKG210>JG26)
Herbert Kutcha (ZG1>JG3)
Gordon Gollob (ZG76>JG77)
Also, Fritz Stehle became on of the best Jet aces, he had a victories with III./ZG1, II./ZG26, II./JG6 and JG7.
Also, many Zerstorer pilot got good success in Bf110/Me410 vs fighters. Even 1 vs 1, or even 1 vs many.
Erich:
Yes, there is no photo confirming 8 x 20mm of Dassow... But Me410 had enough engine power to fly as Me410B-1/R4/R5 (2 MG151/20E default, 2 MG151/20E in WB151, and 4 MG151/20E in bombbay).
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Maximowitz
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Thank you gentlemen. Most informative.
beaupower32
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That's it!!?? 
Awesome shot Beau!! The one with the different props is cool, C, D or E? Russia?
Awesome shot Beau!!
The one with the different props is cool, C, D or E? Russia?
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beaupower32
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Here is where i got the pictures from. Just click on the aircraft code on the right of the page. Most have profiles along with actual photos of the aircraft. Enjoy! Your welcome too
This site it geared more towards IL2 the game, but tons of info in here. Been downloading pictures like crazy the past couple of days off this site. still have a long way to go.
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